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Monday, August 24, 2009

Correct Team Offensive and Defensive Strategies Regarding Getting Fouled and Fouling

DEFENSIVE QUALITY IN GENERAL
The best team defense is characterized by high effort, high intensity, high energy, and high skill. These characteristics will produce high rankings in any or all of the following key defensive parameters of winning basketball games:

KEY DEFENSIVE PARAMETERS
1. Opponent Effective Field Goal Percentage
2. Opponent Free Throws / Field Goals Attempted
3. Defensive Rebounding Percentage (of available rebounds)
4. Opponent Turnover Percentage (% of opponent possessions ending in turnovers. Turnovers include clock violations)
5. Disruption of Opponent Playmaking (prevention of assists etc.)

NOTES
Number (1) Is the opponent scoring per shot percentage adjusted to weight three-point shots and two-point shots correctly.

Number (2) is, in plain English, a ratio between opponent free throws and opponent field goal attempts.

Number (4) Opponent turnovers, include opponent shot clock violations, which high quality defenses get much more often than do lower quality defenses.

In this report we are focused like a laser on (1) and (2). Of all of the components shown, (1) the effective opponent field goal percentage, is the most important one of all; it is the one most highly correlated with overall defensive quality and results.

(2) is less correlated than (1) with defensive quality in general. But, and this is a big but, (2) is very highly correlated with teams that have the very highest quality defenses, and therefore it is highly correlated with teams that win the Quest. Simply put, if for whatever reason your defense is a high fouling rate one, you will most likely not be winning any Championships, even if you manage to win a few playoff games.

Also, because #(2) can be directly controlled by a team, it can be used to improve performance in the even more important but somewhat less directly controllable #(1).

Other Quest Reports, past and future, have and will deal with (3),(4), and (5).

CORRECT OFFENSIVE STRATEGY WITH RESPECT TO EARNING FREE THROWS
Some basketball people simply believe that on offense, the more free throws earned, the better the offense. However, looking at this objectively, there is not anywhere near enough proof that this assertion is always or automatically correct. It is very clear that you should try to avoid being well below average in this, but whether you should be above average depends on your playmaking and shooting.

The reason you should avoid being substantially below the League average on this is simply that any offense, regardless of quality, is easier to defend the more predictable it is. And if you are below average in the free throw versus shot attempt ratio, it means you are not aggressively driving into the paint enough to test the interior defenses enough, which makes your offense too predictable and therefore makes it easier for the opponent to defend your playmaking and shooting.

However, if you are an above average playmaking and/or an above average shooting team, you will be to some extent shooting yourself in the foot and squandering your offensive edge if you overweight driving to the rack for fouls. So, if you have a high quality offense in general, you are advised to keep your offense between a little below average and a little above average in the free throw attempts versus field goal attempts ratio.

Always remember, do NOT attempt to be way above average in free throw attempts versus field goal attempts if you have a high quality offense. And remember the other side of that coin: you can not simply by over weighting driving for fouls achieve a high quality offense. This is actually a dumb mistake. You can't depend on a combination of interior defending lapses, referees calling every foul, and making most of your free throws to make up for a general lack of offensive quality. To have any chance at all to contend for a Ring, you MUST have a high quality offense that is NOT dependent (for scoring) on driving into the paint a lot more than other teams do.

On the other hand, if you have a poor point guard, and/or you have poor playmaking, and/or you have poor shooting, you can make up for one or more of these deficiencies to some extent by over weighting driving into the paint and earning more free throws. The worse the quality of your offense, the more you should resort to driving to the rack and trying to earn free throws more than most teams do. But again, although if you are a medium or lower quality offense overall you can force a better offensive result by over weighting drives to the rack, and although you might possibly win an extra playoff game or two by doing so, you can not and will not become a contender for a Championship just by doing this.

The important thing is to calibrate the overall quality of your "field goal offense" with to what extent you drive the ball into the paint. The higher the quality of your overall and of your field goal offense, the less you should overweight driving into the paint.

CORRECT DEFENSIVE STRATEGY WITH RESPECT TO FOULING AND YIELDING FREE THROWS
Let's first take a time out to make sure everyone is on the same page regarding "defensive quality". Specifically, defensive quality refers to key components of defending, including defensive awareness/recognition, defensive rotation, man to man defending, and pick and roll defending.

Getting back to the specific topic of the day, the accepted theory is that on defense, the fewer free throws by the opponent, the better the defense is. This is the converse of the simple offensive theory regarding free throws discussed above. In other words, the simple theory is that on offense you want to get a lot of free throws while on defense you don't want your opponent to be getting a lot of free throws. (You want a high ratio on offense but a low ratio on defense).

The defensive version of the simple theory is more correct than the offensive version. That is, it is usually the case that the lower the ratio between opponent free throws and opponent field goal attempts you allow, the better your defense is. This is because there is a premium in the Quest for the Ring put on ability to defend energetically, skillfully, and intelligently without fouling. So given the choice between trusting your defending skills to prevent scores and relying much more on aggressive defending up to and including fouling the shooter, it is almost always better for serious Quest contenders to rely more on the energy, skill, and intelligence and less on the aggression and fouling. In other words, the more a team is a true contender in the Quest for the Ring, the more it will see fouling the shooter as a last resort and not a first resort.

If on the other hand you are not even remotely a contending team, and you know that you are below average in defensive quality, there is no reason not to substitute aggression for quality to the extent it is possible to do so. So in this special situation (a team which by definition is far from being competitive in the Quest) you should not worry about how low you might be in the ratio of opponent free throws versus opponent field goal attempts. That is, unlike if you are a contender and/or a high quality defense, don't worry about trying to minimize opponent free throws.

However, be advised that you will automatically lose certain games while doing an aggressive, high fouling defense. Specifically, you will lose a big majority of the games where the referees are calling a "tight" game, and when the referees are ready to call a higher total number of fouls than they normally do. This "automatic loss" problem is one of the reasons why a high fouling strategy is seldom the correct one for a contending team to follow, since even one automatic loss in a playoff series is dangerous.

THE CHOICE BETWEEN FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE ALLOWED AND FREE THROWS ALLOWED FOR LOWER SKILLED DEFENSIVE TEAMS
The best defenses feature BOTH a low opponent effective field goal percentage and a LOW free throws versus field goals attempted ratio. So true quality defensive teams will never and should never even think in the either or terms discussed in this section.

But what if your defenders are not good enough to provide both of these objectives at the same time? An important and interesting question is: Which is better for a Quest for the Ring contender to try to get, assuming hypothetically that only one or the other is possible: low opponent effective field goal percentage or low opponent free throws versus field goals attempted ratio?

The real question is slightly different, because opponent field goal percentage is not as directly controllable as is the opponent free throw ratio. A defensive squad has almost total control over the latter, actually. Hypothetically, you could insure a ratio of zero if you didn't even try to defend so that you never fouled, and you could insure a ratio of 1 if you intentionally fouled on every single play. The relevant question is: "Exactly how often should we be fouling, compared to the average League rate of fouling"?

Opponent effective field goal percentage is a performance measure that is much more a dependent type of variable. What you end up with is dependent on the particular things you choose to do or not do on defense. In the present discussion, the correct way to frame the choice is: assuming your defense is not good enough overall to have both a low free throws versus shots attempted and a low opponent effective field goal percentage at the same time, should you attempt to minimize opponent free throws by making it top priority to defend well without fouling, or should you do almost the opposite via an intentional high fouling rate strategy?

The fist thing to realize is that between the two, getting the lowest opponent effective field goal percentage possible is more important in the Quest. Moreover, it turns out that it is possible to gain a lower percentage than you would other wise have by intentionally sacrificing your performance in the free throws allowed, by intentionally adopting a high fouling defense.

The demonstration of all this was provided by the 2009 Denver Nuggets, which was a unique type of team that you won't see very often in the NBA: high skill but lacking in direction and overall quality, both on offense and defense actually. This team intentionally used a hard charging, aggressive, high fouling type of defense, and it is clear that the Nuggets reduced the effective field goal percentage of their opponents as a result of all the extra fouling. This happened both due to the general intimidation effect of the Nuggets' defensive strategy, and also due to stops that were actually uncalled fouls.

So the Nuggets "sacrificed" any advantage you can get from low fouling in favor of intentionally using high fouling to indirectly force a reduced opponent effective field goal percentage. This strategy did work to some extent, since the Nuggets were the 8th best defensive team in the NBA, despite the fact that virtually all professional basketball people predicted before the season began that the Nuggets defensively were going to be a well below average team.

On the other hand, although the Nuggets, thanks in part to a long string of lucky breaks, were able to go 10-6 in the playoffs, the Nuggets defense as designed was ultimately not good enough to be a real contender in the Quest for the Ring.

So if your team is defensively not getting it done, you might consider forgetting about trying to limit fouling and you might attempt to get the same reduction in opponent field goal percentage that the Nuggets received from high fouling. Although you can benefit from doing this, don't expect you can win a Championship by doing it, or even to get as close to the Championship game as the Nuggets did. I warn you, the Nuggets needed a string of luck to reach the West Final in 2009, so don't get carried away estimating how much benefit the Nuggets received from the high fouling.

Although the Nuggets chose correctly between the two given their situation, and although the effective field goal percentage of their opponents was lower than it would have been had the Nuggets not been a hard fouling team, the overall Nuggets defensive result was not enough to make them truly comparable with the very best 2009 defenses. Which is not surprising because again, it is much better for a defense to be both a low fouling AND a low effective field goal percentage allowed team.

Another way of looking at what the Nuggets' high fouling accomplished is to say that it was able to transform what would have been, League-wide, an average quality defense into an above average quality one, but not into a way above average one and not into a Championship type of defense.

Specifically, the Nuggets were only the 8th best team defensively in the NBA, whereas the Lakers were 6th. There was a relatively small but critical gap between the two teams. On offense, incidentally, there was almost the same size gap, again in favor of the Lakers.

WHAT IF YOU TRY THE REVERSE OF WHAT THE 2009 NUGGETS DID?
If you do not have high defensive quality but you nevertheless go all out for minimizing ratio of opponent free throws versus opponent shots, and see where the chips fall with respect to opponent effective field goal percentage, you will most likely not be rewarded as much compared to the reverse approach.

Defensively, the 2009 Toronto Raptors are an example of a team the opposite of the 2009 Nuggets. This was a team lacking overall defensive quality that, consciously or not, tried to directly minimize opponent effective field goal percentage while at the same time minimizing fouling and the resulting opponent free throws. While the Raptors were indeed one of the best teams in the NBA with respect to fewest opponent free throws allowed, they were well below average in opponent field goal percentage allowed. The net result of this mix was that the overall Raptors defense was ranked way down at 22nd among the 30 teams, whereas the Nuggets, with the opposite defensive approach with respect to free throws, were the 8th.

Although the Nuggets were going to be better than the Raptors defensively regardless of strategies either team would choose, the Nuggets clearly got more mileage from their defensive strategy mix than did the Raptors. In other words, the Raptors did not have to be as far behind the Nuggets defensively as they were.

SUMMARY OF FOULING STRATEGY
Teams that are overall lower quality than the best defensive teams may not be able to simultaneously achieve a low opponent effective field goal percentage and a low opponent free throw attempt versus field goals attempted ratio. If your team is so limited, there is an advantage in going for the lower opponent field goal percentage indirectly, using a high fouling defense.

Incidentally, high fouling sometimes works not because it should work under the "principals" of basketball, but primarily due to the limitations of referees and to certain human psychological weaknesses. Like life, basketball is not completely fair or logical.

If your overall defensive quality is not truly high, concentrating directly on minimizing opponent effective field goal percentage while simultaneously maintaining a low fouling rate will often not be as successful.

On the other hand, if you are truly serious in the Quest for the Ring and/or you do have high real defensive quality on your team, it is not an either or question. You do not have to and you most definitely should not choose to intentionally have a high fouling rate. Rather, you have what it takes to simultaneously be a low fouling and a low opponent field goal percentage team at the same time.

Virtually all teams that won the Quest more so from defense than from offense were high quality, low fouling teams, low opponent field goal percentage allowed teams. Moreover, among teams that won the Quest more so from offense than defense, rarely if ever would you see the defensive side of those teams intentionally running a high fouling strategy.

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MOST RECENT REAL PLAYER RATINGS--ALL NBA LISTING

NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
NBA-WIDE LISTING
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Very Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more

MAJOR HISTORICAL SUPERSTARS; PERFECT PLAYERS for all Practical Purposes

1 LeBron James CLE 1.331
2 Dwyane Wade MIA 1.295
3 Chris Paul NOH 1.277
4 Kevin Garnett BOS 1.106

HISTORICAL SUPERSTARS

5 Dwight Howard ORL 1.083
6 Tim Duncan SAS 1.076
7 Kobe Bryant LAL 1.075
8 Al Jefferson MIN 1.065
9 Yao Ming HOU 1.042
10 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 1.019
11 Marcus Camby LAC 1.013
12 Pau Gasol LAL 1.000
13 Zach Randolph NYK 1.000

SUPERSTARS

14 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.994
15 Tony Parker SAS 0.985
16 Brandon Roy POR 0.981
17 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.974
18 Chris Bosh TOR 0.973
19 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.963
20 Deron Williams UTA 0.957
21 Steve Nash PHO 0.956
22 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.944
23 Zach Randolph LAC 0.941
24 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.940
25 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.940
26 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.938
27 Jason Kidd DAL 0.932
28 Lamar Odom LAL 0.923
29 Danny Granger IND 0.923
30 Paul Millsap UTA 0.918
31 Brad Miller CHI 0.916
32 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.913
33 David Lee NYK 0.907
34 Brandan Wright GSW 0.905
35 Jose Calderon TOR 0.903
36 Troy Murphy IND 0.902
37 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.901

STARS

38 Andre Miller PHI 0.898
39 Nate Robinson NYK 0.893
40 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.888
41 Michael Beasley MIA 0.887
42 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.885
43 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.883
44 Nene Hilario DEN 0.880
45 Kevin Durant OKC 0.876
46 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.876
47 Shawn Marion MIA 0.875
48 Devin Harris NJN 0.872
49 Al Horford ATL 0.872
50 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.870
51 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.867
52 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.863
53 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.853
54 Joel Przybilla POR 0.852
55 Joe Johnson ATL 0.851
56 Jamario Moon TOR 0.849
57 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.847
58 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.847
59 Rashad McCants SAC 0.842
60 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.840
61 Elton Brand PHI 0.839
62 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.836
63 Chris Andersen DEN 0.835
64 T.J. Ford IND 0.834
65 Vince Carter NJN 0.833
66 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.832
67 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.830
68 David West NOH 0.829
69 James Singleton DAL 0.828
70 Jason Terry DAL 0.827
71 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.825
72 Joakim Noah CHI 0.824
73 J.R. Smith DEN 0.824
74 Kevin Love MIN 0.823
75 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.821
76 Josh Smith ATL 0.821
77 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.820
78 Will Bynum DET 0.819
79 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.816
80 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.815
81 Andray Blatche WAS 0.811
82 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.810
83 Caron Butler WAS 0.808
84 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.806
85 Ron Artest HOU 0.806
86 Josh Howard DAL 0.804
87 Drew Gooden SAS 0.801
88 Boris Diaw PHO 0.800
89 Brad Miller SAC 0.800

OUTSTANDING PLAYERS: SOLID STARTERS

90 Antonio McDyess DET 0.799
91 Brook Lopez NJN 0.798
92 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.796
93 Paul Pierce BOS 0.795
94 Luis Scola HOU 0.793
95 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.792
96 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.790
97 Michael Redd MIL 0.790
98 Baron Davis LAC 0.790
99 Mo Williams CLE 0.789
100 Leon Powe BOS 0.786
101 Joe Smith OKC 0.780
102 Brevin Knight UTA 0.779
103 Drew Gooden CHI 0.778
104 Al Harrington NYK 0.778
105 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.775
106 Derrick Rose CHI 0.774
107 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.771
108 Julian Wright NOH 0.770
109 Jeff Foster IND 0.770
110 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.767
111 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.766
112 Grant Hill PHO 0.766
113 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.765
114 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.763
115 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.762
116 Ray Allen BOS 0.762
117 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.761
118 Erick Dampier DAL 0.761
119 Allen Iverson DET 0.760
120 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.760
121 Ben Wallace CLE 0.759
122 Mike Bibby ATL 0.759
123 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.758
124 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.758
125 Chris Kaman LAC 0.756
126 Travis Diener IND 0.755
127 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.754
128 Craig Smith MIN 0.754
129 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.753
130 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.752
131 Boris Diaw CHA 0.751
132 Rafer Alston ORL 0.751

MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS: GOOD ENOUGH TO START

133 Delonte West CLE 0.748
134 Roy Hibbert IND 0.747
135 Luol Deng CHI 0.746
136 Raymond Felton CHA 0.745
137 Shawn Marion TOR 0.743
138 Amir Johnson DET 0.742
139 Josh Boone NJN 0.742
140 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.742
141 Richard Hamilton DET 0.742
142 Matt Bonner SAS 0.739
143 Darko Milicic MEM 0.738
144 Ben Gordon CHI 0.737
145 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.734
146 Tim Thomas NYK 0.734
147 Jose Barea DAL 0.734
148 Brandon Bass DAL 0.733
149 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.731
150 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.731
151 Ronald Murray ATL 0.730
152 Matt Harpring UTA 0.728
153 C.J. Watson GSW 0.728
154 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.724
155 Carl Landry HOU 0.724
156 John Salmons SAC 0.724
157 Mike Miller MIN 0.722
158 Steve Blake POR 0.721
159 Darius Songaila WAS 0.721
160 Corey Maggette GSW 0.721
161 Jared Dudley PHO 0.721
162 Greg Oden POR 0.720
163 Nick Collison OKC 0.716
164 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.716
165 Jason Thompson SAC 0.715
166 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.714
167 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.714
168 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.713
169 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.713
170 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.712
171 Jason Richardson PHO 0.711
172 Mike Conley MEM 0.711
173 Marc Gasol MEM 0.710
174 Marquis Daniels IND 0.710
175 Marvin Williams ATL 0.707
176 Eddie House BOS 0.707
177 Kevin Martin SAC 0.707
178 Joe Smith CLE 0.705
179 Marreese Speights PHI 0.703
180 Luke Walton LAL 0.701
181 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.701
182 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.701
183 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.700

GOOD ROLE PLAYERS: OFTEN GOOD 6TH MEN

184 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.698
185 Monta Ellis GSW 0.698
186 Malik Rose OKC 0.697
187 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.696
188 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.695
189 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.694
190 Corey Brewer MIN 0.692
191 Jason Richardson CHA 0.692
192 JaVale McGee WAS 0.692
193 Shelden Williams SAC 0.691
194 Kyle Korver UTA 0.689
195 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.687
196 Larry Hughes CHI 0.686
197 Will Solomon TOR 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.683
199 Chris Quinn MIA 0.682
200 Paul Davis LAC 0.680
201 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.678
202 Louis Williams PHI 0.676
203 Kwame Brown DET 0.675
204 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.672
205 Tony Battie ORL 0.670
206 John Salmons CHI 0.669
207 Anthony Carter DEN 0.669
208 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.668
209 Louis Amundson PHO 0.668
210 Acie Law ATL 0.666
211 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.666
212 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.665
213 Johan Petro OKC 0.662
214 Jeff Green OKC 0.661
215 Anthony Parker TOR 0.661
216 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.659
217 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.659
218 Jarrett Jack IND 0.658
219 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.658
220 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.657
221 Matt Barnes PHO 0.656
222 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.655
223 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.655
224 Tony Allen BOS 0.652
225 Eric Gordon LAC 0.651
226 Beno Udrih SAC 0.651
227 Goran Dragic PHO 0.651
228 Chris Duhon NYK 0.650
229 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.648
230 Derek Fisher LAL 0.647
231 Randy Foye MIN 0.646
232 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.644
233 Rafer Alston HOU 0.641

SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS

234 Rudy Gay MEM 0.639
235 Ime Udoka SAS 0.639
236 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.637
237 Travis Outlaw POR 0.636
238 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.635
239 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.634
240 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.633
241 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.632
242 Mardy Collins LAC 0.631
243 Nick Young WAS 0.631
244 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.628
245 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.628
246 Von Wafer HOU 0.622
247 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.621
248 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.621
249 Joel Anthony MIA 0.618
250 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.614
251 George Hill SAS 0.614
252 Rob Kurz GSW 0.612
253 Roko Ukic TOR 0.612
254 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.611
255 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.610
256 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.610
257 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.610
258 Joey Graham TOR 0.609
259 Mike Taylor LAC 0.605
260 Larry Hughes NYK 0.603
261 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.603
262 Daequan Cook MIA 0.603
263 Jamario Moon MIA 0.603
264 Marko Jaric MEM 0.602
265 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.600
266 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.599
267 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.599
268 Devin Brown NOH 0.598
269 Jason Maxiell DET 0.597
270 Aaron Gray CHI 0.597
271 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.596
272 Morris Peterson NOH 0.596
273 Robert Swift OKC 0.596
274 Steve Novak LAC 0.595
275 Shane Battier HOU 0.591
276 Al Thornton LAC 0.590
277 Earl Watson OKC 0.590
278 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.589
279 Raja Bell CHA 0.587
280 Brian Skinner LAC 0.587
281 Rodney Carney MIN 0.586
282 Roger Mason SAS 0.581
283 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.580
284 Willie Green PHI 0.580
285 Nicolas Batum POR 0.580

MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS

286 Robin Lopez PHO 0.578
287 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.578
288 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.577
289 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.572
290 Mikki Moore SAC 0.572
291 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.571
292 James Posey NOH 0.566
293 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.565
294 Jared Dudley CHA 0.563
295 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.559
296 Mike James WAS 0.559
297 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.559
298 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.558
299 Etan Thomas WAS 0.558
300 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.557
301 Keith Bogans MIL 0.554
302 Ronnie Price UTA 0.554
303 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.551
304 Juan Dixon WAS 0.549
305 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.546
306 Walter Herrmann DET 0.545
307 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.542
308 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.541
309 Michael Finley SAS 0.540
310 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.536
311 Jason Hart LAC 0.535
312 Fred Jones LAC 0.533
313 Brandon Rush IND 0.531
314 Rasual Butler NOH 0.526
315 Gerald Green DAL 0.525
316 Glen Davis BOS 0.522
317 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.521

POOR PLAYERS

318 C.J. Miles UTA 0.518
319 Maurice Evans ATL 0.517
320 Francisco Elson MIL 0.513
321 Rashad McCants MIN 0.512
322 Reggie Evans PHI 0.511
323 Charlie Bell MIL 0.509
324 James Jones MIA 0.508
325 Courtney Lee ORL 0.506
326 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.505
327 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.502
328 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.501
329 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.500
330 Stephen Graham IND 0.498
331 Brent Barry HOU 0.498
332 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.496
333 Greg Buckner MEM 0.492
334 Shannon Brown CHA 0.491
335 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.491
336 Raja Bell PHO 0.487
337 Malik Allen MIL 0.487
338 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.485
339 Desmond Mason OKC 0.482
340 Keith Bogans ORL 0.481
341 Joe Alexander MIL 0.481
342 Juwan Howard CHA 0.480
343 J.J. Redick ORL 0.479
344 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.478
345 Solomon Jones ATL 0.478
346 Quinton Ross MEM 0.477
347 Jason Kapono TOR 0.473
348 Sean Marks NOH 0.469

VERY POOR PLAYERS

349 Matt Carroll CHA 0.458
350 Channing Frye POR 0.455
351 Sean Williams NJN 0.454
352 Mikki Moore BOS 0.450
353 Donte Greene SAC 0.448
354 Josh Powell LAL 0.445
355 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.445
356 Luther Head HOU 0.440
357 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.435
358 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.432
359 Sean May CHA 0.425
360 Antoine Wright DAL 0.421
361 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.413

EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS

362 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.398
363 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.393
364 Bobby Brown SAC 0.393
365 Ricky Davis LAC 0.392
366 Arron Afflalo DET 0.386
367 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.383
368 Devean George DAL 0.377
369 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.369
370 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.363
371 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.358
372 Adam Morrison CHA 0.334
373 Royal Ivey PHI 0.322
374 Melvin Ely NOH 0.313
375 Jason Collins MIN 0.285
376 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.283

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Very Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more information

USER GUIDE FOR THESE RATINGS
You must consult the Guide to fully understand the ratings, and to understand how best to use the ratings.

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